Let me explain. Let me add an answer that is relevant, I believe, but from a slightly different perspective. How hard do you want to work? This is where reputations are made so first impressions were important. 3-7% in practice and I believe 10-15% of residents are now female. ... by surgery and I would hate to give up on my dream just because I was uninformed and afraid of what my future lifestyle might be like. He earned his medical degree from Chicago Medical School, where he … As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. Mastery of your field: Like the derm post, no one knows your field like you do. So I would say that from a supply demand standpoint, due to the immense supply of MSK complaints, ortho is even more in shortage than most of the fields out there. The bad is that your surgical experience will suffer. I am especially asking about it in terms of publications and research involvement, Research is a necessary evil. Try to make the resident's life easier (i.e. Used to be one general ortho surgeon could do surgeries all over the body. I don’t teach anymore since I left fellowship and started practice. When this next generation retires, the landscape of ortho will change even more. You also could fall in love with another subspecialty theoretically. yep. Thus people often do work over 60+ hours a week because you're either all in or not making money. Once you are an attending it’s all on you and you have to get things done. This was at the tail end of the toxicity, so the groups ahead of us were sometimes bitter while we were right as rain. Once you've seen it done once, however, you should be able to pick up on what supplies are needed. As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. I think if you LOVE the nervous system and being a hero, saving lives, then neurosurg is for you. If we run through the approach/case with you and specifically highlight certain anatomy, try to remember it for if/when someone asks you in the OR. The Surgeon’s Cut is a new four part documentary offering a glimpse into the world of surgery by telling the personal stories of four exceptional surgeons, which will stream on Netflix. The other model of employment is hospital employed position. report. I knew it. Surgeons of reddit, are your lifestyles really as terrible as everyone thinks? In Ortho, you could live in a town of 10k and be fine. But if you do a fellowship in hand, are work in a practice where someone else takes care of trauma calls, then it could be lifestyle friendly. In the cities, it's not a big deal because there's enough super specialized surgeons to fill all the gaps. Absolutely crush the fuck out of step 1 is the most important thing you can control. Know where the reds, blues and yellows are. Topics ... and burnout. This is also the time when you start applying to fellowships. Don't go MIA. I work 80-100 hours a week and still have plenty of time for hobbies and killing time on the internet. So yeah, orthopaedic surgeons are busy....people break a ton of bones at 3 am on a saturday night. 99 votes, 201 comments. News, current events, my dogs, working out/running. General surgeons, ortho, and vascular guys work a lot on call. We'll save it in our wiki for future reference! So there's never an end to the fun. The Broward program, which is a dually accredited AOA/ACGME orthopedic surgery residency, recently received 450 applications for 3 training slots. We also have some of the coolest toys. But in smaller towns, this will become an issue. Six spine surgeons offer advice to medical residents who are considering taking up spine. I have friends with two, even three fellowships, which i think is insane. Dr. Viess is a board-certified orthopedic surgeon, with fellowship training in sports medicine and arthroscopic surgery. I’m in a group of 20 other orthopods. 100% Upvoted. we do that too. We'll also discuss how you can set yourself up for success early on if this is something you’re interested in. As always, how much money you want to make depends on how you want to work. On the downside, it's gen surg and it's intern year. If you don't know something, ask. However there are other academic programs where it's really focused on. We call them needle jockeys. Arthur J. Ting, M.D. So we got treated like shit, but we also did a lot of surgery. Not sure what your 2nd question is. If you wanna make over a million a year, you're probably going to work for it. It was middle of the road. I had no idea this is an option. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. save. I game a bit but that hobby is practically dead since I have a 1 year old now. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. At our small hospital only the vascular surgeons were in the ER more when on call. We (at least at my program) will teach you. get the supplies ready). You do the best you can so you can sleep at night with a good conscience. Ask Spine Surgeons is a weekly series of questions posed to spine surgeons around the country about clinical, business and policy issues affecting spine care. Out of control. You people have evolved beyond the need for sleep, or food. Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts Session 19 Today, I'm going to do a deep dive into some match data for orthopedic surgery, which is known to be one of the more competitive specialties out there. Also lifestyle angle, not sure I’ve met many lifestyle oriented neurosurgeons. Surgeons 70 and older report performing an average of 19 procedures per month. Sort by. Especially PMR interventionalists. skin/soft tissue? Part of why i do locums is to fulfill this niche need. If you are looking for an academic position after training, then it becomes slightly more important. So what i'm saying is, you'll never go hungry. of fractures. There will be an even greater shortage of ortho surgeons due to this phenomenon. Just happened to get lost one day 3rd year during my peds surg rotation and drop into a peds ortho hardware removal case. It’s true for surgeons too because surgeons are also doctors. I know surgeons working at Kaiser that work 35-40 hours a week and make 400k. One of my good med school friends did neurosurg. Try to learn the indications for the cases you're participating in. Surgeons of reddit, what’s it like being in the OR saving a life? hide. Did some research and published towards 4th year, but almost after the fact in terms of applications. I applied broadly to 80 schools, interviewed at 14 places, matched at my #3. As another side note, residency programs are a lot easier than even when i did it. Not OP but Handbook of fractures, Netter's orthopedic anatomy are good places to start, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the medicalschool community. Otherwise ... again for me it’s a no brainer. Ortho is not exempt from this lol. Don't ask to go home early. yep. Sure some will argue that that work get better results and what not, but like everything there's a limit. The fields are completely different. It's unfortunately something we will never live down. Hospital systems are also buying groups up -often times a group of aging surgeons looking to be bought out for a golden parachute or guys that can’t survive out in the wild. Residency years: Intern year: You're essentially another gen surg prelim. Depending on the rotation you need to know/quickly learn anatomy. Am starting MS4 in a few months and am thinking ortho as a summer elective. Then 1–2 years of fellowship. Also Known As: Green Scalpel, Geurin Meseu, Green Mass. And this segment of pay i believe will likely increase in the future. So surgeons of reddit, do you really work 80+ hours per week? You will definitely have complications -everyone does or they are liars. You said you're a PD. And so, they have to receive many benefits to lead a comfortable, stress-free life. Close • Posted by just now. microvascular repair? Personality of Ortho is diff than neurosurg. How do most orthopods feel about PMR docs? This was back before they mandated 6 months of it be strictly ortho, which is awesome for the new residents. Grades honestly don’t matter -just don’t fail. Vampire. Let's look at the data to see if this holds true. Because of that, we've created our own shortage. Step scores I/II were 254. Surgeons of reddit, what’s it like being in the OR saving a life? We do that. Some of the benefits of an Orthopedic surgeon is pointed out as follows: 78% of Health insurance. The good is that you'll have a slightly better lifestyle. Because that's going to be the majority of your life during residency. Thus another reason why everyone does a fellowship, not out of interest but pure necessity. Generally speaking you should know basic ortho trauma -- open fractures, ankle fractures, hip fractures, distal radius fx. I try not to be home after 6 ever so I can put my kids to bed and I don’t bring work home with me, Went to Albany Med. I feel I have good enough stats (260+ step 1, AOA, honors in all clinical rotations so far, engineering background) to be a competitive applicant for ortho, but my question is more about lifestyle. Posted by 6 years ago. And if you're talking about spine and back pain? Depending on the program, you should be mostly surgery heavy. Cookies help us deliver our Services. There was a report on Twitter I saw where 100% of female physicians reported being harassed and from what I have seen Id say it’s probably true. One of my partners is a DO and he’s great. So it's not impossible. Welcome to /r/MedicalSchool: an international community for medical students. However these days theres alot more hospital employed surgeons. Depends on the program. Is this a common trend you see? Ok the way your question is phrased hints that you think that it’s one or the other.... all orthopedic surgeons work AT a hospital. Ortho. In our 4th year we did mainly peds, with some spine, foot and ankle, sports. But more helpful would be if you "fit in" like the ortho bros. And that of course is program dependent. has been a practicing Orthopaedic Surgeon specializing in Sports Medicine for more than 38 years providing diagnosis and treatment of professional, collegiate and … Unlike residency apps, fellowships aren't as hard to get into unless you're looking for a top 5 program. This year I did ~500 operations, Sure message me and I’ll figure out if that works. Initially was a general ortho surgeon doing bread and butter stuff out in the boonies. If you're taking care of lacs in the ED, be willing/able to sew it up. Felt a twinge in that shoulder while lifting weights? Rotations vary between programs, ours included ICU, vascular, cardiothoracic, urology among others. I have seen some programs with a 6th year with one year dedicated to research. It depends much more on career and circumstances. You just have to kill your sub-I rotation. Thanks. So instead of one guy taking care of the entire body, it takes 6 surgeons to do the same work. If not it helps if the person is well known in the community. 0 comments. Its not chill like the ROADS specialities. 10 Worst Medical Specialties For Lifestyle Published on April 26, 2017 at 1:07 am by Madison Morgan in Lists Share Tweet Email Hey all, I'm a current M3 and have narrowed down my specialty choice to three fields, with ortho being one of them. 4th/5th year: You're essentially a chief resident at this point. They are the ones who allows us to move, work and be active. The proportion of surgeons who remain active past the age of 70 represented 5 percent of the total orthopedic workforce in 2006. 5 year vs 7 year residency. The life of a surgeon is all about choices, starting with the career we chose, then the partner(s), both personal and business. The other stuff. But since i saw a derm post, we should be good. The question is if they are employed BY the hospital. Maybe a couple of hours of work a month. The peds rotation was great because you did everything surgery wise, but also almost harder than 2nd year in terms of trauma because if you're in a western state, the cachement area for peds is huge. The non-spine Ortho stuff or the non spine neurosurg stuff. Ask away, Work 4 days a week Monday Office 8-4 Tuesday OR usually done by 330 Wednesday OFF Thursday OR 830-5 or sometimes later Friday Office 8-4, Call is every sixth weekend and 4 week days a month, This is my 4th year in practice and I made 650K, Some of my partners make a million a year some make 400K. This is what I do. Don’t be weird at interview, How competitive are residency spots? There is a whole art to the LOR including a lot of coded language in the letter itself, Research is becoming more important for applications unfortunately. Close. Banged your knee up playing soccer? Because you can always find someone in pain and sometimes take advantage of them. I think you can't really make any generalisation, other than life in the UK as a doctor isn't really all that terrible. Academic medicine has a higher floor and lower ceiling, Salary is definitely related to how many cases you do in private practice. There will be a moment where you reach the singularity point and all that training comes together. Some results: rheumatologists are happiest, dermatologists are healthiest, 1/3 of docs were … I know surgeons working at Kaiser that work 35-40 hours a week and make 400k. He is on staff at ValleyCare Memorial, San Ramon Regional Medical Center and Sutter Tracy. For me, i love this speciality and could not see myself doing anything else. Thus the fellowship heavy training, which leads to even less that residents do (as fellows do all the surgeries). Overall, we expect you to be available/affable >>> able. Orthopedic surgeon lifestyle is not easy. Also, we have had many residents not AOA or had a Step 1 score below 230. My father was a surgeon, practicing thoracic/abdominal surgery in New England. Mostly I just love orthopedic Surgery so even when I’m not “working” I’m reading about it. Our surgeons have practiced in large university-based medical facilities and trauma centers. If you're reading this and you're a resident who wants to share your specialty experience, check out this post to see some requests, and then start your own "Why you should go into X" thread in the sub. Orthopedists are a very healthy group, at least according to their self-reported scores. Surgeries: I once made a post that i think ortho has the most broad and numerous amounts of surgeries. Being an orthopedic surgeon is no simple task and therefore requires many hardships to reach in that very position. Back when i used to be a mp3 bot for AOL giving away music. One that i have never had before or since. There's a formula somewhere. Things have changed where no longer do you HAVE to work 60+ hours a week. Also, do you get the opportunity to teach or work in academia through a teaching hospital affiliation even though you work primarily in private practice? When we do BKAs and the like, we appreciate PM&R taking over from the rehab side of things. Our orthopedic services team includes surgeons, specialists, therapists and technicians. Yes women are definitely desired at most programs and it is now an asset to you if you are a female applicant. I think you should consider what you'll be doing besides spine in either. I have spent 23 hours operating on one patient (and I am a fast surgeon) fixing 16 broken bones. Patients are offered the most current and evidence-based treatment options, customized to their lifestyle. He received his MD at Rush University followed by a 5 year Orthopedic Surgery Residency at Northwestern in Chicago. Side Note: Didn't see an ortho post so figured i'd fill in a blank. However, research is NOT necessary for a fellowship, unlike say peds surg (gen surg fellowship). I can speak to a sample of 1, uncle, Jeff, who I’ve written about before: Handsome fellow, right? Two friends who are Colorectal surgeons, take no general surgery call, and have a largely elective practice with very reasonable hours. On the side i have a lot of different side hustles including IMES, case reviews, and even some locum work. My mother went there. Since MSK makes up the majority of the body, and we're responsible for that, in turn there's a shit ton of surgeries to play with. Weird question, don't look at the username lol. Never knew i wanted to do ortho in med school. So we did a junior and a senior research project, but it was mostly a joke. Figure out when to seem interested and ask questions, when to sit back and just do work. Dr. Viess is a native of San Mateo, CA and a graduate of Duke University. Well, my perception of the neurosurgeon lifestyle is, unfortunately, mixed. I am an orthopedic surgeon on the east coast. Orthopedic surgeons deal with the entire musculoskeletal system, from birth until our last breath of life. Trauma surgery is intense. So USMLE is important and then your letters of recommendation. This is also when you learn the most of ortho knowledge base and the curve is steep because med school does not prepare you for ortho. But then i work my extra jobs because i'm bored, but that's a personal decision. Doesn't hurt to stay fit. I would hope that we think you guys are just part of the team. Then 5 years as a resident, which is utter hell. I’ve never been to one. I am about to go into my intern year for surgery, and I unfortunately have not met a lot of surgeons outside of my own med school/residency program whom I can ask about this stuff. Reddit's home for wholesome discussion related to pre-medical studies. Now, we have a guy that operates on the left shoulder exclusively (/s). Then 4 years in medical school. However these days theres alot more hospital employed surgeons. Certain programs are more "bro" oriented, but that's changing. Orthobullets for common ortho mgmt. Is it more like, “oh that’s cute”, or is there any sort of respect at all? 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